Henry Suryawirawan: [00:30:00] Some pretty cool stats and projects that you have there. If you’re in the foreign affairs, or defense, or all these things, then yes. So there are about 50 million submissions through our platform. When I was in college, I started out actually as a Economics major rather than a Computer Science major. And if you did your research and you put forth proposals, they took them seriously. A lot of governments just don’t have that, and we need to get that ready. That’s why tech companies fight a lot for the best people. So I have one question mark. Li Hongyi’s Bio Her team was looking for volunteers to explore the concept of using Bluetooth to supplement manual contact tracing efforts. She became part of the pioneering team and one of the lead iOS engineers who built what would be known as TraceTogether, the world’s first digital contact-tracing solution deployed nation-wide. He’s going to keep trying this until we do something.” And just having some degree of persistence. It’s about maximizing the amount of effective brain power working on a problem. Yeah, so that’s where we are. Li Hongyi, the second son of PM Lee. The team is funded as a whole. My dad told me a story once about when he was in the army. Because if a project is small, and it does well, you can always grow it. Henry Suryawirawan: [00:42:03] I fully agree with that. It was not that we had bad people. It’s that we are symbiotic, where you need someone to do the massive thing. That’s probably what we’re most famous for today still, like Parking.sg, but it’s actually one of our smaller apps that we do today. Li Hongyi & Li Shengwu: 2 latest Internet sensation from the Lee family The famiLEE tree The famiLEE feud: PM Lee "I'm not sure that it is solved" The famiLEE feud: AGC to start legal action on Li Shengwu for contempt The famiLEE feud: AGC looking into FB post by Lee Hsien Yang's son The famiLEE feud: Protest at Hong Lim Park “Who does he think he is anyway? I also like the points where you make, like your experience in Google actually opens up your perspectives, that there are things that are not perfect. All these obviously is a fight for talent, and I’m sure government will find it some kind of a challenge as well to attract, first of all. I think at a lot of organizations, there’s this sort of myth that the way the organization runs is this very finely tuned machine that has been honed over many years of experience, so don’t mess with it. We go. GovTech is meant to take the government and digitize it. It is not just about the next big industry. But most of our teams are five or less. View the profiles of people named Hongyi Li. FormSG is about five people. Li Shengwu has confirmed that the Singapore Government is “still prosecuting” him “after all this time,” as he revealed that he filed his defence affidavit today (25 Sept). They gave me serious work to do. Because you can imagine that if you’re a government in, let’s say a country which doesn’t have as big a tech team or strong a tech emphasis, let’s say you’re an engineer somewhere in South America or in Europe or in Southeast Asia, and your particular government doesn’t have the resources to give you a big engineering team. Parking.sg is about two people on it at any one time right now. You are going to have bugs. The software is the least valuable part of a tech organization. Next is seek out problems proactively. The biggest hurdle by far is our security policy. But if you are a government entity, you have, what do you call, persistent threats that are trying to compromise your data, and that’s why they are really scared of it. You’re going into the ground, figuring out small opportunities proactively identifying them, and experimenting, and seeing what can work, and then going from there. Hongyi, for one, had initially thought he would go into economics or join the private sector. How did you get the product approved? Singapore has been rocked by the recent allegations against PM Lee Hsien Loong after a strongly worded statement was released by his younger siblings, Dr Lee Wei Ling and Mr Lee Hsien Yang on Wednesday (June 14).. Those were the main things we wanted to do. OGP is meant to be an experimental unit, which means we take the other direction, which means that we start from a modern tech company position, and then try to figure how to backwards engineer that to the government. And if they stop growing it’s okay, you just put them on the shelf and you shut them down. He’s going to keep trying this until we do something.”. If it doesn’t work, you can shut us down. And to this day, a lot of that philosophy of trying to run a good organization, and trying to treat people well, and taking people seriously, that is because I remember that it is possible. And then you try to generalise it, and productize it so that more people can benefit. It’s a fairly popular site now, so quite proud of it still. Hongyi also outlined his visions for OGP, that include open sourcing the products that his team has built for other governments to adopt and implement. I think the end goal from here, and maybe a few years from now is that once we get really well established, we want to open source a lot of the things that we build. Only Google did this crazy mode of operating.” But now they’re looking more like, that’s how almost all organizations run nowadays with technology. 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